Advanced Practice Nurse Job Search Success StrategiesUIC College of Nursing, Room 105
Wednesday, March 4, 2009
12:30 - 1:30 p.m.
1.Introduction
a.Jill Gilliland
President, Melnic Consulting Group
Ph: (800) 886-7906
Jill@melnic.comwww.melnic.comb.Students present were a mix of specialties, including: FNP (4), PNP (7), Adult (1), Geri (2), PMHNP (1). Also 2 experienced NPs.
c.Powerpoint slides and presentation notes will be posted on GSO website: http://www2.uic.edu/stud_orgs/gso.con/ and Jill’s blog: http://pediatric-nurse-practitioners.blogspot.com/ other resources are posted at http://www.melnic.com/advanced-practice-nursing-pediatric-jobs.php
2.What do I want to do?
a.Know yourself—your unique skills, interests and values.
i.Talk to people and select clinicals that interest you and match your experience, interests and abilities.
ii. Having a focus will help
b.What environment do you like?
i.In the hospital, in a unit, in a clinic, with a group (among other NPs, with physicians, on your own, with a manager, with a team
c.What is rewarding and satisfying to you?
i.Tasks, thinking, invasive, long term relationships, intensity of illnesses or acuity, leadership, research, publishing, talks, family oriented
d.Where do you want to live? Consider geography
i.City, rural, suburb, flexibility, urban activities, outdoor activities
e.Consider your lifestyle
i.What are the factors in your personal life that impact your work life?
ii.Do you want to live near friends or family, have kids, husband
f.Recommendations
i.If you are considering working “on your own” (without other NP colleagues), a hospital/ambulatory care setting may help you hone your clinical skills.
ii.As a new grad, look to who you would turn to for questions/concerns
**See Jill’s website, www.melnic.com, for a guide to your career path
3.Resume
a.See ppt slide for sample resume
b.Also see: http://www.melnic.com/advanced-practice-nursing-pediatric-jobs.php to download a sample resume
c.Build your resume
i.Work as a RN during your schooling to build your resume.
ii.Working creates experience that will help secure the job when you graduate.
iii.Even if it takes long to get through school, unless you have more than 5 years of RN experience, you need to work to build your resume
iv.Work in a unit that builds skills that translate to where you want to work when you graduate
v.Many companies count RN experience in salary calculations
1.Ex. 2 yrs. RN experience = 1 yr. APN experience
d.Other advice
i.Use your job description to describe experience and skills related to your next position
ii.Potential employers will consider your skills, experience, and personality
e.Why is an Advanced Practice Nurse’s resume unique and what should it look like?
i.Your resume/CV and cover letter must be well written and organized.
ii.No spelling errors and visually easy to follow
iii.As an Advanced Practice Nurse, your resume is unique and must reflect your experience, skills, and units worked. (or primary care experience)
1.Unit Name, # beds, procedures
2.Different from action works/accomplishments. More skills and experience based.
f.Research, presentations, and papers
i.Not essential to do, but include if you have it. If you hope to work at an academic hospital it is good to build your resume by writing papers and doing research. Work experience first, then research and publications
Q: Should we include clinical rotation experience?
A: Generally, no. Unless pertinent to desired position.
Q: What is the difference between a resume and C.V. (curriculum vitae)
A: Basically the same, but C.V. is usually used in academic settings
Q: How far back should we include jobs/activities?
A: Only include relevant positions (like 20+ yrs. RN), not working as CNA, unless you feel this has added to your RN experience, worked in same type of unit.
4.Telephone interview
a.repare in advance for your interview
i.Listing your strengths, abilities, employment history, and personal interactions.
ii.List questions that might be asked and verbalize your response.
iii.Think through scenarios and how you would respond.
iv.Research information about the hospital or clinic, unit, and people you will be interviewing with.
1.Research: MDs, RN leaders, units, procedures
b.See sheet http://www.melnic.com/advanced-practice-nursing-pediatric-jobs.php
c.Keep your questions brief, unless you are unsure about your potential employer. You have already done your research about them.
Q: How common are telephone interviews
A. Very common for distant jobs, prior to in-person interviews.
5.In-person interview
a.Remember: they want you there! Be confident
b.Don’t be afraid to take your time when answering questions. Breathe, “I need to think about that for a minute”
c.Be prepared to answer why you left or were let go from a job, gaps in your employment, and obvious “job hopping”
d.Show your passion about your career, specialty
e.See sheet http://www.melnic.com/advanced-practice-nursing-pediatric-jobs.php
6.Strategy for success
a.When developing your job search strategy, do your homework on the best way to contact your target employers.
b.Take advantage of all resources available to gather information: career fairs, Internet job boards, hospital web sites, and local web sites, and job postings (www.simplyhired.com).
c.List all possible hospitals you are interested in, use Goggle maps
d.Ask yourself, “Who do I know at this institution?” networking!
e.Go to each of the hospital web sites to search jobs
f.If they have keyword box type Nurse Practitioner and/or Advanced Practice Nurse
g.Use www.simplyhired.com or www.indeed.com - sign up for emails about open positions
h.Organize your search process with Job Tabs http://www.jobtabs.com/ ($49 one-time fee)
i.Save search locations, resume, contacts, jobs
i.You may need to expand your geographical boundaries if your job search does not produce results in the Chicagoland area
7.Staying ahead of the game in this economic state
a.Learn how to evaluate jobs, be prepared, and negotiate in tough economic times.
i.War story: A PNP accepted a job, quit her job, then was told by the new hospital that they can not give her a job
ii.Before you quit your job, ask if there is anything that could negate the offer
iii.Ask staff about turnover and layoffs
iv.Look for new equipment, environment
v.Make sure you feel confident that physicians are good business people
1.Get a clear description of your benefits
vi.Remember that the hospitals and clinics that are hiring are in the best economic condition
vii.If you require a specific geographic area you might consider working as an RN to work your way into a situation
8.Salaries
a.Depend on cost of living
b.See averages by geographical area: http://www.melnic.com/pediatric-nurse-practitioner-salary.php
Q: Is there a big difference in salary between hospitals and private groups?
A: Hospitals may offer bonuses, paid relocation costs, annual increases. There is not a big initial difference in pay among hospital, clinic, MD groups.
9.Why should I use a recruiter?
a.They do the work for you; we don’t pay, hospitals pay
b.You have a full time job
c.They have relationships with hospital hiring authority
d.They can negotiate an offer
e.They can talk you through the process
f.You can not lose with the right recruiter
g.It’s free
10.Negotiation
a.What is your best alternative? What are your other options?
i.BATNA – best alternative to a negotiated agreement
ii.Have several job offers to give you an edge in negotiating
b.Negotiating up
i.If potential employer asks you for your desired salary, you can ask them: “Please tell me what you are thinking as far as salary.”
ii.On application: “desired salary” – leave blank or respond “N/A”
iii.Ex. Start $75k, 2% increase/yr, in 7 yrs 5,600 less than someone who starts at $80k do your best to start at a higher salary!
iv.Hourly 34.50/hr, negotiating up to 34.97/hr amounts to much more annually. It feels easier to negotiate a higher hourly salary than a higher annual salary although the end result is the same.
1.Ex. A 50 cent increase an hour equals a $1040 increase annually, and a $1 increase an hour equals a $2080 increase annually for 40 hour work week jobs
11.Q&A discussion
Q: When should I start my job search?
A: Allow 5-6 months. If you graduate in May, start in Jan.; graduate in December, start in July. You may also start looking after boards. You can take your time, esp. if you don’t have that much experience yet. Keep working! You will want to have at least 2 yrs. of RN experience.
Q: Have you heard of anyone starting work as an APN- license pending?
A: Please see
New Grad Illinois Licensing(Other discussion amongst group members): You will typically receive your license 1 month after boards. You’ll need to follow the steps before taking exam – UIC to send transcripts to certifying body (up to 4-6 wks.), then credentialing, then you will have the approval to take the test.
Many grads have said if you graduate in May, expect to take boards in August.
Q: How should we shop for/evaluate recruiters?
A: Ask “How do you do things?” “If I was to find a job on my own, would you still help?” Good recruiters should demonstrate integrity.
Q: Have you found that there has been a lack of NP jobs?
A: [Peds] Nationally, no. In the Midwest (Chicago, also Michigan), yes. But you can still be selective; just keep working as an RN until you find what is best for you.
To inquire about jobs visit Melnic Consulting Group or contact:
Jill Gilliland
800-886-7906
jill@melnic.com
Melnic Consulting Group was honored to sponsor NAPNAP- LA’s end-of-year celebration luncheon that took place this June. Seven tremendous graduate PNP student applicants were recognized at the luncheon and three exceptional candidates were awarded scholarships through NAPNAP-LA. The event was a tremendous success and Melnic Consulting Group was thrilled to partner with such a remarkable organization that recognizes and encourages PNP students, with the awarding of scholarships.
